Namera Conference 2
2023-10-29 The last "name-your-enemy party" was so well received that we decided to continue it as the "name-your-price conference". Claude.iconBased on Ken Suzuki's book "Smooth Society and Its Enemies," the "Namekura Conference" is a gathering of people who aim to realize a smooth society. At the second conference, the following topics were discussed
The approach of IP Zukan and the possibility of blockchainization of ideas (Mr. Ryo Arai)
Historical evolution of the Internet and Web technologies and the cycle of decentralization and centralization (Toshiya Tanaka)
The similarities and differences between "The Smooth Society and Its Enemies" and "Plurality" proposed by RadicalxChange (Taiyo Hamada)
The "Illusion of Evidence" brought about by the development of AI technology and how to deal with it (Mr. Toori)
Proposal for a New Value Exchange System to Replace Currency (Mr. Kobayu)
Throughout the entire conference, both technical implementation and ideological discussions were held to realize a smoother and more cooperative society. Ken Suzuki concluded the conference with a message to the participants: "Let's make things, let's think about ideas, and let's do both at the same time.
<Time Schedule for the 2nd Namekura Conference
15:45 Presentation by ryo arai, "Delusions of increasing the mobility of knowledge and the blockchain of ideas
16:15 Toshiya Tanaka presents "Can't we stop the cycle?
16:45 Hiro Hamada, "Pluralistic Technology: About Nemesis and Plurality
17:20 Dive agenda
Opening
realNuun The second edition of the #Nuun Conference, a gathering of readers of "The Smooth Society and Its Enemies" who aspire to build a smooth society, has begun! https://gyazo.com/b37b77c8ab7c56a9047da8f7f38c30b9
A Movement Changing the World
Naming Enemies, Anglicizing and Connecting to the Global Context
Implementation is important, not just translation.
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Delusions of knowledge mobility and the blockchain of ideas.
Intellectual property illustrated book
Smooth knowledge
IP Hunters Association
IP is not limited to patents.
There is also free research for elementary school students, etc.
IP information is difficult to convey to non-specialists.
After reading and deciphering the information, we expand it with our "imagination", illustrate it, and transmit it.
Often inquired about due to interest.
Trigger (2018)
multi-touch display
Voice to Image" API
Combined two IPs to create "a system in which images appear when you talk around the desk, and what you tap is later sent as minutes of the meeting.
The minutes don't have to be in text format, it's a way of showing them that destroys stereotypes.nishio.icon
The application that was originally included was Whack-a-Mole.
It's a waste of time and effort to showcase something that has been developed over many years as "usable for whack-a-mole".
sowawa> display with multi-point touch, reminds me of Samsung SUR40. dearnishio.icon
How many times the cost of production are you able to sell the product for?
Worst among developed countries
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Barriers to IP utilization
Search, decipher and utilize
Easy-to-understand translation
delusional rapture
Context discovery overlaid with social issues
Visualize and disseminate
Delusion leads to achievement.
Delusion accelerates distribution.
Challenges and solutions we have been working on for three years
High human labor costs
Struggling to grow as a media
→Generated AI
Currently, the accuracy is still low, but the advantage of instant mass production
Mining delusions mass-produced by generative AI
The same idea of "Couldn't this be used for packing materials? but the application of the idea may result in "ecological" or "cost reduction" benefits.
The "axes" and "cuts" are being discovered by the "differences" between "similar ideas."nishio.icon
YukiJP> An example of how AI halcyonation can be used in a positive way
nishio> Sometimes you want the AI to be more halucinating.
sowawa> This goes along with what I was talking about with Ken earlier. It is more human or more fun to be halucinating.
YukiJP> I'd love to see some ideas that the AI generated but couldn't make into articles.
You could make that part of the program available to the public, for a fee. New business development personnel are likely to subscribe.
Generates a large number of 0 to 0.1 before 0 to 1.
Related: Miscellaneous but useful : The output by ChatGPT was miscellaneous, so the time taken to edit it seemed to be more, but the benefit from the lower cost of starting to write far outweighed it.". Chain of ideas
Talk about being able to record ideas in a chain and distribute them to people at the source.
question
Does it have to be a blockchain? It seems to me that recording an idea on a public chain would cause loss of novelty at that point and prevent subsequent patent applications?
There is a strong resistance to public disclosure, in some cases internally, but not for the general public.
Even if limited to internal disclosure, research, product development, and sales each have different perspectives, so it would be beneficial to create a system that bundles the contributions from these people's perspectives and links them to value, leading to the utilization of knowledge within the company.
Semantic Web of Knowledge, Semantic Web in 3 dimensions
When you create a hierarchy or classification, you thereby fix the context to a single object.
In the Scrapbox domain, it's called the "dead text" problem. Similarly, there would be a "dead IP" problem. GPT
Make the document more fine-grained rather than stand-alone.
Then we could curate more.
Technology and Business Matching
There are people who are in charge of new projects and are having trouble
Start with your own patents
Delusion is like tagging.
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What royalty model is the existing patent?
different
Patents will be published.
waiting game in a circle (game theory)
The power to protect where we want to protect ourselves.
The existence of arbitrage, which enables patent trolls, is a flaw in the system to begin with.
Rock-like ownership
lot
Radical Markets
Patents are information, reproducible goods, why they can be occupied.
Rather the opposite, the problem was that ideas could not be possessed, and patent laws were created to allow them to be possessed.nishio.icon
It made the "idea for which the registration of the establishment of the patent right was made" into "property that can be owned.
Arbitrage resolution, how do you do it?
Radical Markets' proposal is simple but doesn't seem to match this problem
Today, when Internet searches have been replaced by generative AI, information can be obtained without looking at links.
Those who benefited from PV no longer did.
Similarly, a centralized AI can do the work of utilizing patent information.
Curated by AI
Determining the scope of useful information = calculation act
It's a high calculation, which is why it's so centralized.
Really?
Article 66(1) of the Patent Law: "A patent right shall arise upon registration of its establishment."nishio.icon
In short, the requirement to be recorded in the patent office ledger is an accrual requirement
ken:
Talk about reducing distribution costs by narrowing down patterns.
Copyright Propagation → CC
8 combinations of BY/NA/SA
I wrote about content propagation in Named Enemy as well.
5.4.2 Open Content: Chain of Remixes and Value Propagationnishio.icon
Feel free to use it ↔ Give me 10% of the proceeds.
There are many different combinations.
If the patterns are narrowed down, it would be easier to put them on the blockchain.
Regarding machine matching
An "efficient patent troll" could be achieved by optimization with profit, not social good, as the objective function.
Need to be able to make Ethical decisions.
knowledge graph
LLMs move from static to dynamic graphs.
Network changes depending on context
Meaning-making becomes dynamic.
Information that "when A becomes possible, B becomes possible."
A number of elements are updated by the input that A is now possible, following the network
Dynamic Semantic Web
Discord
Ikumi Akatsuka> Patents are supposed to keep knowledge open, but they tend to be used to keep it closed.
nuun> It's a copyright context, not a patent context, but it's close to story protocol. YukiJP>
The idea itself of a system to replace patents with blockchain, which would return the money to the originator if used, has been around for about 5 years, so I'm curious what is preventing its implementation.
Friction with established forces responsible for patents? Simply difficult to implement at the ultra C level?
Zhou Jingfang> When I was a member of "Unexplored IT," I made a presentation on how it would be great if we could create a system to systematically summarize previous research and then publish/develop it in a github-like format to create a github of thoughts.
After listening to today's talk, I have a gentle impression that it is important to create and provide tools that are indispensable for people to actually imagine and create their future, and to embed collaboration naturally in these tools.
YukiJP> If IP is managed by blockchain, I wonder if it would be better to use consortium chain to create a foundation as a collaboration across companies, and the revenue from the realization would be automatically distributed.
nishio> The phrase "patents are a game of camp" reminded me of the first story about "enclosing land and claiming ownership."
The first who conceived the idea of enclosing a certain piece of land and declaring, "This is mine," and found people so congratulatory that they believed it as it was, was the true founder of the political society (the state). --- [Rousseau.
I see you had some land here.
YukiJP>
It would be fun to have a big competition based on IP information.
A contest to see who can produce more interesting things, AI or not.
Zhou Jingfang>
Why is it that both codes and ideas are information, but codes are allowed to expand in an OSS way and ideas are not?
→ Because code implementations are expensive to reproduce, but "patent ideas" are not so costly to reproduce?
If it were access to chatGPT to reproduce the dialogue with the person who came up with the patent idea, could it be forked or something similar to the code?
sowawa> ↑I think it's possible.
Ikumi Akatsuka> note that you can pay by AI to AI
nishio> Let's create a gated digital nation with a centralized curated AI instead of patent law and strictly bound "citizenship" to communicate with it (delusion).
If you put an NDA when you join this "digital nation" (a closed web service called "Digital Nation"), you won't lose your novelty by making it public knowledge.
Ikumi Akatsuka> Note: It would be good to create a CC-like classification for patents as well.
Lessig: "You know about eight different kinds of ^^^."
YukiJP> I wonder if it is possible to make decisions by AI, and to what extent it is acceptable or possible.
sowawa> Indeed, AI seems to be better at optimizing financial returns.
sowawa> I sometimes think about the Semantic Web again when I think about AI.
Or rather, a reminder.
Ikumi Akatsuka> Dynamic Semantic Web
YukiJP> What is Semantic Web?
sowawa> Like a dynamic RAG.
nishio> Since humans can't see the entire web anyway, why not render only the "surroundings" and generate only the nearby areas while moving around?
Image like an auto-generated dungeon game.
miyabi> It's like a stream that curates and generates useful context within a certain perspective.
sowawa> That's a filter bubble,,
Can't we stop the cycle?
[Toshiya Tanaka
The following is a mixture of speeches and questionsnishio.icon
name> ... from Discord
History rhymes.
The Web started as decentralized, but Web 2.0 centralized it, so Web 3 is a movement to regain decentralization.
error
Since the 90's, the transformation to centralization has been pointed out, and there has been a movement to bring back the Web to individuals.
The inventor of the World Wide Web and a web thinker who continues to change the Internet talks about his design philosophy of the web and his vision for the next generation web.
YukiJP> 17800yen
Ikumi Akatsuka> [Commons https://www.amazon.co.jp/コモンズ~Enforcing Net Ownership Kills Innovation-Lawrence Lessig-ebook/dp/B01HPIZ24I/ref=sr_1_6?__mk_en_JP=Katakana&crid =2U955ZYON4P49&keywords=Commons&qid=1698564740&s=books&sprefix=Commons%2Cstripbooks%2C168&sr=1-6] Commons ~ Strengthening Ownership on the Net Kills Innovation
Commons is available for rent.
KOJO> Looks like a lot of CC OSS talk today.
2005 Web2.0 - named what was already happening
Ikumi Akatsuka> Note: web2.0 was named after the movement
GAFA since 2010
It is incorrect to say that "the Web began as decentralized but became centralized with Web 2.0.
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Ikumi Akatsuka> I am in a hurry as if they are talking about me.
YukiJP> We tend to focus on the existence of centralized systems, but I think people themselves tend to be centralized.
I'd like to read any discussion or theory on whether a system can mitigate a person's tendencies.
Kobayu> I don't understand decentralized things because...
To stop the cycle, you must be liberated and get out of the circle of samsara (delusion).
sowawa> I think that's called ordained.
nishio> I'll go to India for a while to get a degree(...)
renchon> Let's get ordained.
nishio> Indeed, the membrane must be abolished.
Takum> We need to change the way we understand that the nucleus controls the inside of the membrane, but even if it could be implemented systematically, how many people would be able to understand it intuitively?
Ray Dalio's Interesting Economic Videos
Understanding the Economy in 30 Minutes
Haruto> In terms of the humanities, is Negri-Hart's "Assembly" likely to mesh in the context of reactionary social movements and nonownership as a "co"?
renchon> I think the "original experience" of Vitalik who created Ethereum, for example the nerf of WoW, as a feature of Web3 decentralization is actually quite important for ideological understanding, even if it is just a narrative.
It's a common little story.
The Cryptonomist
Ethereum: Buterin was inspired by WOW - The Cryptonomist
The programmer was inspired by the horrors he experienced in the game
sowawa> There was something like why do people keep getting into crises?
I wonder what it was. I think it was a world history of capital.
autopoiesis
Evolution is not the essence of life, but a side effect
Autopoiesis for both TCP/IP and Bitcoin
Illusion of Control
End-to-End Principle
Simple enough to be infrastructure
Conservative about modifications
→Transition to IPv6 took a lot of time.
100-year social transformation
sowawa> I've noticed that I've been using v6 quite a bit lately.
sowawa> I also find it interesting that UDP is on the rise instead of TCP with the advent of QUIC. renchon> I think the forced comparison in the context of Buddhism is "TCP/IP is not Buddhism, but Bitcoin is" In the matter of inheritance of proper names
nishio> I say "This is the first century of programming" as it relates to the time of change in terms of 100 years. sowawa> Programming is dramatically increasing the amount of information that humans can handle, and I hope that it will awaken humanity by saturating it beyond its cognitive limits.
nishio> Half of the human race that didn't wake up will die out and be eliminated by natural selection (delusional science fiction).
The concept of slash-and-burn, evolutionary novelty theory
Ikumi Akatsuka>
https://gyazo.com/89c108edaf56fc7c10fb067294a611ed
Yusuke Narita v.s. Ken Suzuki, author of "Democracy in the 22nd Century" and "Smooth Society and Its Enemies" talks about society in the 24th century #Name Enemy designer
leader
entrepreneur
Create a community
Create a service economic zone
Super-emerging from society
Hippie-ish.
unparalleled
KOJO> At the last after-party, we were talking about how nice it is that Bitcoin has a god-like Satoshi Nakamoto, but in a way, it's a conceptual simplicity of the basic infrastructure.
If PICSY could do it, Ken would be a god.
nishio> It is worth observing whether it makes sense for it to be Satoshi Nakamoto, whose face is not visible, or if it could be Vitalik or Kensuzuki.
sowawa> I wonder if the problem is that if you can see faces (in this case contactable and able to intervene politically), you may be able to create authority and decision making that is convenient for someone.
underground
No revocation or fraud protection.
Because they can't be policed by authority.
So each individual does his or her best to avoid being scammed.
Authority-free exchange platform
I could be trafficked.
Unbound
Unmercuryed
Transactions prohibited by [Mercury (company name)
Silk Road
Silk Road is the so-called black market and the first commercial dark web. Illegal drugs and weapons were sold on its website, with bitcoin as one of the main transaction currencies, which was one of the main virtual currency use cases in its early stages.
No basic human rights.
It is not what Bitcoin does with the Bitcoin protocol itself. Bitcoin just does money and its transfers, no one distinguishes between them.
Talking about services and people who "use" bitcoin and make their own rules among themselves.
There is the same argument on the INTERNET.
The Internet is free. You can send packets containing anything anywhere, as long as you accept the rules of sending packets."
nishio> pointing out that the internet was created after the failure of the interconnected mutually beneficial community, I see.
Interpretation of Time Frame
Then you need rules.
The more detailed the rules, the more centralized it becomes. Interpreting Layers
There's a partial overlap with the interpretation of the time frame, because a high layer can't be created without a low layer.nishio.icon
Sell organs and cash on Mercury
The idea of not selling is domination, surveillance and control in the first place.
"so that nothing bad can be done" = "defines what a 'bad thing' is."
More rules by trying to eliminate them.
This story was in the "Commons."
Blockchain is also just not monitored by the government.
Mutual monitoring and management
Trying to determine if it's a good thing to distribute is CENTRALIZED because of the cost. ↔ Isn't it not a cost?
If someone hosts a fork that is OK to buy and sell incrementally when the chickemie becomes OSS and anyone can fork the service decentralized. vulture M&A
Why do it?
Trying to accumulate resources (people, goods, and money)
In other words, "membrane."
A wins, B loses" becomes a membrane.
A wins, B also wins.
telephone network
rapid development
itself separates the inside from the outside of the network → membrane generation
How it passes through the membrane
nishio> society is so layered.
KOJO> Is the crowd outside the capital sexual market the autopoiesis of society?
I googled 超出的 and found nishio's scrapbox. Intrinsic and Transcendental Struggle NAM Principle (2000) Reference from p.108 reading Yukito Emiya's "Power and Modes of Exchange" Fight within this world or go outside the world and make something new.
nishio> I don't know if "people" need to be able to understand it.
I'm sure the "human + AI" understanding capability is getting better and better.
Kobayu> Even with AI, we cannot understand the world
Takum> un "~~", I see.
miyabi> It may be a matter of computational power that the more information that needs to be processed, the less primitive it is, the more it has to be mercurialized.
The symbol money basically only calculates value, so it is easy to handle in the symbolic operations that humans handle.
Zhou Jingfang> ? The most important question is: "Can we increase everyone's productivity and live a moderately rich and dignified life without endlessly overstimulating people's desires?"
From the obi of Ethics of Leisure and Boredom
"Bored or disgusted, they look for distractions, even suffering."
Autopoiesis is a theory that captures the essence of life, originated by a Chilean biologist. It is derived from the Greek word "self, production," meaning to create oneself recursively and self-compliantly.
miyabi>
Seeking ethics in money
Let the money do the math.
PICSY
sowawa> Someone said that money is also a form of inorganic autopoiesis because money is self-purposing.
MIYABI Membrane.
nishio> Is AI a cell?
MIYABI> Maybe so. Markov blanket is an FEP concept, though.
Equivalence with neural nets? There are studies that show
ryoar> M&A is the act of taking the other party's resources (people and money) and monopolizing them = membrane is created there
ken:
What is Autopoiesis?
What is life?
accumulate in the membrane.
self-preservation
Maintaining the System
self-purpose system
Birth of life, there are membrane and nuclear groups.
I'm a membrane guy.
Why do we repeat ourselves?
Oh, by the way, it was a cell."
The state has a membranous nature.
I'll protect you.
We're at war for energy control.
As nuclear fusion becomes cheaper, there will be no need for energy-based wars.
Resources are not only energy, but fossil fuels, semiconductors, rare metals...
transport by ship
Hindering the ship to keep it from passing.
geopolitics
power
mass barrier
Make security decentralized
sowawa> I wonder if money is an imaginary concept but has acquired autopoiesis. Because of human desire. The co-thought of desire.
Compliance makes it only normal.
Living on the Frontier
ethereum
Coming to the mainstream too soon.
Expectations are so high that it's hard to keep up.
American democracy
Democracy 2.0
Puritans were persecuted and fled to the Americas.
America on the Frontier
That's why they don't fight the existing governance structures in Europe.
There is an option to run away without fighting the state.
sowawa> I can really relate to living in the middle of nowhere.
miyabi> Do you want to tackle the mass issue head on?
New visions are born on the frontier.
sowawa> Innovation comes from the frontier.
We were persecuted.
YukiJP> Building a development base in the rice paddies?
nishio> Let's find Saga!
They say innovation happens in the frontier.
renchon> I recommend Kochi Prefecture.
Japan's highest forest coverage, 84%.
That's where I'm from.
(WHO)>Going to Mars
Saeko TORII>
https://gyazo.com/854edf87ff79c24a0c85d53de37f3b33
Pluralistic Technology: About Plurality and the Tortoise Enemy.
[Taiyo Hamada
Distributed Clinical Trials
Send the device to the patient for a clinical trial
This doesn't have to be a public chain.
February [DAO UTokyoInternational two-day conference on DAO (Decentralized Autonomous Organizations) - Interfaculty Initiative in Information Studies, The University of Tokyo https://www.iii.u-tokyo.ac .jp/event/230921event] Related Discord 9/12
HiroHamada> I attended desci berlin. I have been in contact with David Casey of Protocol Labs, whom Mr. Takagi @tkgshn connected me with, and we are working to hold Funding the Commons in Japan next year. Funding the Commons] in Japan next year. I would like to ask for your help, as I believe that Namenyaku is a very important context from Japan. There are others such as Social Common Capital and Mechanism Design Center. We are also discussing AI safety and alignment and would like to combine with that. https://fundingthecommons.io/ https://gyazo.com/feba1e35db49d34597282095ba29a737
Distributed Innovation Commons
3 ideologies.
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nishio> I am working on a translation of this story!
I recommend it because it's interesting to think about where your ideology is in the triangle.
nuun>As for the three ideologies mentioned in this article, I recommend the explanation in the dictionary of the game civlization6 for more details ([6 images https://discord.com/channels/1101313849593958490/ 1128578753568718933/1168108034405441626]) Takum> The concepts of ES and AT come up, but I'm wondering if they correspond to Corporate Libertarianism and Synthetic Democracy.
supplementary explanationnishio.icon
Corporate Libertarianism and Synthetic Democracy are terms of the game Civ6
Two of the three "Ideologies of the Twenty-First Century" named by Entrepreneurial Sovereignty and Abundance Technocracy in The Plurality Book
Approaches to solving global social issues
Expanded weight of private budget
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Buffett, Gates.
digital democracy
Plurality
Plurality in RxC should be distinguished from Plurality in political philosophy.
RxC's Plurality is "technology"
Technology" for Diversity and Democracy that can work across differences.
GETTING-Plurality
research network
Harvard Edmond & Lily Safra Center for Ethics
by Edmond J. Safra Foundation
I want the ideology of the lickspittle enemy and Mr. Azuma to be known here.
↔Plurality in Political Philosophy
Carl Schmidt
distinguishing between friend and foe
membranous
→Nazism
Totalitarianism is a movement to identify Plural existence
Vitalik's "new mode of exchange" researched and developed on Ethereum allows an unspecified number of people to exchange for the public good. While this may at first glance appear to be for the benefit of the individual, it leads to the common understanding that it is ultimately for the benefit of the community as a whole. These are ways of utilizing mechanism design, and I try to apply this to Taiwanese politics as much as possible.
I have to preface this question by asking why I did not name such an interchange format as RadicalxChange and label it as Radical x Change in separate words. It is because it was inspired by interchange format X, or "interchange format" (Note 4), as proposed by Japanese literary scholar and philosopher Yukito Emaya (Note 3). lickspittle
Scale-Free Fragmentation
membrane
Presenting "smoothing" the membrane
SmartNews
Gather information from multiple political positions
So at least we're eliminating the fragmentation of information among the individuals who use the smartnews.nishio.icon
That will contribute to eliminating fragmentation on a larger scale.
teatwo> SmarNew's ability to switch between left and right wing articles in the US was ambitious, but I wonder what's happened now, "News From All Sides"
Similarities and Differences between Named Enemies and Plurality
synchronicity
Awareness of common issues
The Need for Logic to Guide Collaboration in an Increasingly Confrontational Society
To put it a little tighter, it's common to the point of "software technology can solve it, and it will solve it.nishio.icon
Plurality within an individual
On the side of the Named Enemy, it is referred to as "splinterism."
Differences in membrane concept
This is not a question of which is better, but rather the concept of a "membrane" looks at things in more detail (Cognitive Resolution を上げる)上で有益な気がするなnishio.icon summary
Concentration of wealth through IT → Emergence of new wealthy people → Intervention in social issues through private funding
self-contained (of a story, etc.)nishio.icon
By changing the source of resources for solving social problems,
Decision-making mechanisms for solving social issues are shaken up.
Because there is no legitimacy in using the traditional (when taxes were the source of funds) decision-making mechanism.
Therefore, technology and logic are needed to bring about "new forms of cooperation".
The perspectives describing this domain are: Tame Enemy, Plurality, Social Common Capital
question
Eliminating the enemy = undermining pluralism
[The idea that "the elimination of allies makes totalitarianism," and therefore, the creation of allies to fight (combat sports) has a positive value. [Read [Is Combat Democracy Sustainable : Fuat Gürsözlü, Agonistic Democracy and Political Practice: Ways of Being Adversarial | CiNii Research https://cir.nii.ac.jp/ crid/1390015191533870592] Need to distinguish between private and public enemies
Private Enemy: Opponent
This is beneficial
Difference between Diversity and Plurality
Diversity: We can stay together
Plurality: doing something in cooperation
Plurality in RxC is "technology to cooperate across differences", so it assumes Diversity "a state of difference" and thinks beyond it, clearly.
Plurality in political philosophy is not focused on technology, so the difference is probably not clear.nishio.icon
Q: You mentioned a hypothetical relationship between the tame enemy and Plurality.
ken:
The relationship between Nameko Enemy and Yukito Emaya is not so strong.
Affected.
These are two good books by Yukito Emotani.
Shifted perspective from modes of production to modes of exchange
The "Value Morphology" section of Marx's "Theory of Capital"
Where does value come from?
It comes from exchange, not production.
computer simulation
KEN: I learned this first, and from there I traced it to Emaya and Iwai.
self-purpose
It's worth it because I think it's worth it.
So is money.
ken: i don't think the exchange relationship alone explains everything
The idea that "the substructure defines the superstructure" and "the structure of the state and society is also determined by the structure of the economy" is unreasonable.
It's not just the exchange, but the state itself that is of value.
Value is created because we think money has value, just as value is created because we think a nation has value.
Those diverse values interact.
autopoiesis
Niklas Luhmann
In 1971, he published a debate with Habermas., Critical Theory and Social Systems Theory: The Habermas-Luhmann Debate. In 1984, he published his main work, "Soziale Systeme" (Social Systems Theory). He introduced the concept of autopoiesis into social systems theory. Talcott Parsons' and Luhmann's social systems theories differ fundamentally in their conception of the "system" between them.
Parsons' social system consists of a nested structure from the world system in the large to the individual in the small, whereas Luhmann considers a multidimensional, mutually complementary, and interpenetrating system with no hierarchy among systems.
While Parsons has methodological individualism, which is descended from Max Weber, at the core of his theoretical construct, Luhmann clearly rejects a theoretical construct that takes the "individual" as its starting point until late in his career.
I see. So you are imagining a complementary system without assuming a nested structure of large and small structures or a stacked structure of substructure and superstructure.nishio.icon
X is great, but it doesn't have to be that 2x2 frame.
This is refreshing because I agree with you.nishio.icon
I think it would be useful to remove the frame and make some observations and observations about recent OSS and Ethereum
About [NAM
Mr. West invited me.
Mr. Emaya is going to do some social activities, so why don't you join us?"
Japanese economist... Specializes in evolutionary economics, including Marx, Hayek, and Keynes.... ...Since contributing to Critical Space in 1996, his research on the local currency LETS has attracted the attention of Yukito Karatani, and he has been involved in the NAM movement... --- Tadashi Nishibe - Wikipedia When I joined, Emiya said, "Why don't you use the LETS you're working on at NAM?" I did it because it was a good opportunity.
I was doing PICSY at the same time and contributed about it.
We thought it would be a good public opportunity.
separatism
Are we shooting through? We don't know yet.
Solution by Technology" is close to what we are trying to achieve.
I even mention security at the lickety-split stage.
Money→resource allocation→voting→security
It doesn't look like we're getting there.
With the emergence of ethereum, I feel the need to think about the new social contract
No need to emphasize the differences.
Similarity and family in the eyes of the world
It's all about creating partnerships and changing the world.
It was my fault for not transmitting the Named Enemy in English.
It's Smyrnau's fault.
2012/12 Released "Smart News" application
2013/1 NAME ENEMY PUBLISHING
I didn't know this.nishio.icon
It's more like a superhuman release of these two in parallel.
I have an English paper I wrote in 2009, which was left as Reject because reviewers were very divided about it, and I'll put it in arXiv for now.
As for the English version of Name Enemy, we could not make it CC-0 due to a conflict with the publisher, but we can partially release it under the pretext of promotion.
miyabi>
Haruto> I understand that you are talking about a technical paradigm in a communion-like context of Bataille. Just as life and death are inseparable, so are generation and decay. In order to explore the logic that runs through both, it is necessary to discuss collapse as well as emergence. In this presentation, I will discuss this issue through a model of money. In this model, money is self-generated in the midst of exchange by a subject with constrained rationality acting in self-interest ...
miyabi> This is a book by Dr. Nishibe. It is argued that "money is the zero sign." Is there happiness in an age when 10,000,000 people will become investors? Our society is now faced with many dark and serious problems, symbolized by widening inequality, increasing suicides, solitary deaths, child abuse, etc. These problems originated mainly in the economic realm, but have gradually eroded the realm of values and ethics. These problems, which originated mainly in the economic realm, have gradually encroached on the realm of values and ethics. The phenomenon of globalization has changed our behavior and mentality by promoting the buying, selling, and investing of all kinds of goods, transcending all boundaries and restrictions. This groundbreaking essay critically elucidates the capitalist market economy from a completely new perspective, including the internalization of the market and free investment as the ultimate form of capitalism, and develops a definitive monetary theory from there.
From Discord:.
What to read to understand Plurarity.
Zhou Jingfang> I would like a reading list of what to read to understand plurarity✋.
This is what Audrey Tang and Glen Weyl first wrotenishio.icon
This plurality.net is the latest national language translationnishio.icon
This is unorthodox commentary in Japanesenishio.icon
Root repository for Plurality: Technology for Collaborative Diversity and Democracy by Audrey Tang and E. Glen Weyl - GitHub - pluralitybook/plurality: Root repository for Plurality: Technology for...
This is the "Root repository of The Plurality Book as it is being written."nishio.icon
This is what is being translated from "The Plurality Book's Root repository" and will eventually flow into plurality.netnishio.icon
So you should first read plurality.net in the language of your choice.nishio.icon
The latest is "Root repository of The Plurality Book" (English, Mandarin),
In the future, the information you put here in /contents/japanese will be reflected in plurality.net.
I cut it out and put it here for ease of reference.nishio.icon
skipping session
The Illusion of Evidence
Mr. TOORI.
The Illusion of Evidence
Create a culture where images are not evidence.
YukiJP>
hazuma By the way, as I have said repeatedly, the spread of generative AI means that the world will become a mixture of truth and lies. We have been living in such a world for a long time. Until recently, there were no photographs or recordings. Everyone spoke from memory. hazuma Still, mankind has established a proper order, and I don't think it is something to be so fearful of. It's just that the simple assumption, which was conversely strengthened by the immaturity of technology over the past few decades, that if you provide "evidence" such as photos and recordings, the truth will be confirmed, will expire. hazuma So, in my opinion, humanities knowledge will be rather effective in the age of generative AI. Humanists should look at the current situation with the understanding that it is not about protecting humans from AI, but rather AI that will restore the humanistic world (not sure if that is a good idea or not). counter-misleading
Humor over Rumor
nishio> A tradition has been established where the speaker's presentation materials are used even though he/she is not speaking: ...... Is this "smooth"?
high risk-high reward
Exhibiting in AI is prohibited in Skeb.
The value of art is subjective.
I can pay 100,000 for an AI painting.
= Exchanging 100,000 yen for something generated by one click is considered a legitimate transaction.
→Can be used for money laundering.
Countermeasures against hoaxes
Who starts it is tied to power.
Need a system of "authoritative speakers" and "denial of authority" instead of "countering with memes."
→ I'm not arguing that countering with memes is the best way to go.
Polis] and Community Notes from "There are approaches like this, but they are not systematic." nishio> So you don't know whether it is a counter to a hoax or another hoax?
Once the image has been digitally signed.
You know, an electronic signature doesn't guarantee veracity.
How about protocol-wise?
I'm not sure that veracity is independent of time frame.
How to correct mistakes in community notes
Community notes are not a guarantee of truthfulness in the first place.
Am I right?" I didn't ask.nishio.icon
Is it useful?" I ask.
We propose an algorithm that identifies notes that are considered informative and useful based on the user-generated notes themselves and the history of user-generated ratings for each note.
A system in which those commonly rated as "useful" by clusters of different opinions come out on top.
Clusters of community notes are not clusters of social nets, but clusters of past opinions
miyabi> A place for discussion, a kind of genus, trust, and ideological distance seems important.
ryoar> In relation to the deepfake mentioned earlier, it seems that the Originator Profile Technology Research Association has been established to improve the reliability of text on the web 🤔.
The Yomiuri Shimbun] The OP Technology Research Association, which aims to put into practical use the digital technology "Originator Profile (OP)" that contributes to enhancing the safety of the Internet space, announced on April 23 that six corporations, including telecommunications giant NTT and IT giant Yahoo!
This is a proposed system to replace money. No name yet.]
powdered oil
Much of the criticism of PICSY is criticism of money itself.
PICSY is too monetary.
What will really be used 300 years from now will be in a different form.
From scalar values to value vectors
Mechanisms born in an era of exclusionary nature of goods.
Digital goods are basically non-excludable goods
How to extract value from digital goods
Open to the whole world
Value is maximized
How to Make Money
If you open it up to the whole world, you won't make any money!
Copyrights and patents create exclusivity.
The discrepancy between these two methods is a flaw in the system.
Cryptocurrency Waste
Inefficient to get a worldwide consensus to send $100 to the next town.
Habits of the age of exclusionary ownership
In the age of digital goods, we need a system that makes the most of the characteristics of digital goods.
Why is money stable?
Because people think it's worth it.
People think it's worth it, so they can use it in exchange.
It's worth it because it can be used for exchange.
Proposed Method
https://gyazo.com/9605957ab6c2fbd3ea4403f6a9d6d5ac
https://gyazo.com/6f133deb68e2bacfe5b6770160392f08
B gets chicken from A.
B thanks A.
Gratitude is subjective
Recorded in the hands of B.
falsify as many times as one likes
Not worth tampering with.
Things flow in the direction of the arrow (trust)
If you give, you get to give again.
Mutual beliefs create value in "arrows".
Computer Management of Confidence
Systematization of [Spirit of Howe
Advantages of allowing time differences compared to bartering
Not much different from the gift economy in the village.
Can you do business with someone you don't know?
Suggestion to make it happen: flooding.
Behind the arrows, "information about needs" propagates.
Virtually the whole world to deal with.
Q: Similar to Lightning Network.
No incentive to take the shortest route.
A: Not from Lightning Network
information retrieval algorithm
Infinitely generated problems
Reverse arrows are not negative.
I didn't understand this either, but most people don't get it, it's not clearly explained.nishio.icon
The current currency is a two-tuple (p, c) with individual p and balance c corresponding to each other, whereas the proposed method is a three-tuple (p1, p2, c) because the "arrows" accumulate, and this does not cancel out (p2, p1, c) and is managed in a separate location.
https://gyazo.com/7137f923f01ce590908ba29c4848ae0b
No arrows are "people without trust."
When arrows are stored, they are "people of trust."
Even if the size of the two-way arrows are equal, they do not cancel each other out and lose credibility.
Flooding algorithm cannot be applied to services
Why not just create a token that says "Right to Service?"
In the end, it makes digital goods "things" without "character".
"Let's make things, let's think ideas, and let's do both at the same time."
that's a numbing word.
Very good meeting again after the last one.
# Sigmoid functions
https://gyazo.com/6fe685959a0af8fa97dd39dc4033d040
get-togethers
It's impossible to organize, so I'll write Ken's closing remarks first.
Very interesting, made my brain sweat.
Great on the grass route.
Let's make things and think about ideas, both at the same time!
difficult to organize get-together conversation.
nishio> I'm curious about the story of Arrow's theorem being broken by quantum information! Ikumi Akatsuka> I was wondering about this.
Like this one?
I understand it was something like the sowawa CAP theorem.
Zhou Jingfang> My understanding is that we are talking about something like breaking the quantum Arrow's theorem, which is a quantum extension of Arrow's theorem, so I'm not sure how extensible it is to human society, but maybe not. I wanted someone to read it with me, so if you'd like, I'd be happy to do it. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.00458.pdf sowawa A friend of mine who was doing unexplored with me wrote a book review of "[What are prices? Q: Why did you start Scrapbox?
I was blogging before Scrapbox in the first place.
I wrote about my research and experiments with technology, and they thanked me for it, so I continue to do so.
Later, I switched to Scrapbox because I thought it was a more appropriate means of storing knowledge than blogging.
Maybe PICSY should move away from the monetary metaphor.
Natural recovery is unnatural as a metaphor.
Value decay
In the first place, in a growing economy, there will be a gradual inflation and a decay in the value of money.
Most people don't get it, so maybe you're right that comparing it to money as a metaphor in explaining it is misleading.
Whether or not PICSY is a currency is irrelevant to whether or not "PICSY is a beneficial system."
Forks of [Libra
extremely fast
I want it to be better known.
Enhancing individual intellectual productivity or building team consensus?
Nishio personally has focused on the individual, thinking that Originality first before co-creation.
The Plurality aspect, especially the broad listening aspect, leads to better deliberation by strengthening the individual's "ability to understand other people's views" I think it's the Aufheben of the "individual or team" conflict.
Not much information.
The episode, "Talking to ChatGPT, I'm putting out patents all over the place."
Are you really doing this because you think it will give you a competitive advantage, or are you introducing it because you think it's a useful narrative in creating a good perception of yourself by society?
If it were the former, I have a feeling you wouldn't publish it.
A melting pot of ideas within the community
People with a viable idea and enthusiasm for it start their own businesses.
More and more spin out and eventually the community dies. In 1992, he built Japan's first website, which led him to enter the world of science public relations. In 2003, he became the head of the Public Relations Office of the High Energy Accelerator Research Organization (KEK), and in 2012, he became the Acting Vice President of the Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology Graduate University.
Software Talent is Quality, Not Quantity
Toru Maekawa, Director of the IPA Technology Center... We should create a mechanism to create super hackers in Japan... The report advocated a Copernican turn of the government's logic, shifting the target of the grant from companies to individuals. In 1999, under the leadership of Minister of International Trade and Industry Kaoru Yosano, who loves personal computers, a team led by Assistant Director Takahiro Hagiwara of the Information and Communication Division of the Information Technology Bureau finally came up with the "Super Hacker Project"... The project started in July 2000 as "Unexplored Software Creation Project" to discover super creators. Unexplored Super Creator of 2002
I thought for sure they wouldn't remember me, but "Nice to meet you" was also strange since we hadn't met before, so I said "It's been a while.
I wondered what kind of people were chosen, but I heard that Mr. Tamesue also hosted a study group for the lickspittle enemy in the first place.
Practicality and "ahare
Waste is "ahare".
Practicality gone too far is also "ah-hare."
Maybe because it's too wasteful and practical?
making wasteful efforts
nonessential and nonurgent
What is your ideal world?" KEN: "A world where waste can be created in peace."
emo (i.e. effeminate)
It is of "indescribable" origin (Halcynation).
The Japanese-derived culture of emoji, which has also made its way into Unicode, is mistakenly believed to have originated from emotion, but in fact it is meant to express 'inexpressible' (i.e., not easily verbalized) feelings."
have one's imagination run wild
If values become too diverse, they become ungovernable.
Really?
Why?
cost escalation
Flat when values are no longer diverse.
Smooth is good
Smooth, not infinitely diverse because the value range is real.
In terms of diversity flat=1 < step=2 < smooth=♾️
Expanding Internality
Familiality = Coercion + Coincidence + Extensibility
familial resemblance
The Genron Wars
interesting
Perspective of a small business owner, not as a speaker
Management is concerned about people
If you don't take care, people will leave.
Organizations with more than 50 people almost care
grooming
Smooth evaluation by PICSY?
It doesn't work with dozens of people.
Correctness of evaluation
"Correctness" and "usefulness."
Dry evaluation does not motivate.
Evaluations that are highly motivating improve results in the following year.
Example: Failure and low results
Should they be evaluated on results and paid lower?
Should it be elevated as "good that you tried?"
Should we evaluate them dryly and give them another non-monetary reward?
Work in a company, not all of it belongs to the individual.
How much of the outcome is due to the individual? How much of it is due to the environment?
Personality of the person in question
Some people demotivate themselves with good evaluations!
'I'm running out of challenges in this environment, so I'm changing jobs and taking on new challenges.'
Dry evaluation exits the genus.
But different people have different personalities.
The manager's job is to figure it out and make unfair adjustments.
People look at fairness sideways.
Who's watching who
Managers must see these dynamics.
0xikkun The essence of personnel evaluation is not to evaluate people correctly, but to keep them motivated, and a bias term needs to be added to the correct evaluation. 0xikkun I'd like to consider moving to Twitter before it dies, but where are the candidates? Nostr What's the best part?
At least they won't be crushed from above.
0xikkun I'm just trying to be realistic. Sumanew, I use it about an hour a day.
All of the first 10 people on Mercury used Mercury.
When the CEO has a say in the product, there is no ownership between the PO and the engineers.
Going to see users
Go to the site, don't call them.
Observe all things
They went to rural areas, not urban areas.
What kind of apps do you use? Like the Bible app.
Mobile network is slow and does not load while moving
→Smart New can be used at home to download news and use it without communication in mobile.
If PMF is the only objective, there are several winning patterns.
not very interesting
Same as buying stocks.
There is an element of art in matching PMF with "what we want to do".
Do you A/B test when making a PMF?
local
Too time consuming without a lot of users.
Need 10,000 active users.
Use hunches and qualitative observations
When was the last time you PMF'd?
First day of launch
What percentage of the original fans? Almost none.
I couldn't find any other quality news app that worked crisply.
I wonder if it has to do with the "mobile communication is slow in rural areas" I mentioned earlier, it's important to find out that that's a pain point for users.nishio.icon
Does it need to be high quality from the start?
The PDCA cycle for the iOS App is not small because it is subject to review.
It is estimated that the total weight of nankyo krill is greater than the total weight of all humans on the planet.
r-strategy and K-strategy
Does the number of individuals win or lose?
The krill were losing and getting eaten more and more, so we took the r strategy of more and more.
Balance with being eaten by natural enemies
Humans have adopted a strategy of modifying the environment to increase its carrying capacity.
It gets denser and denser.
No natural enemies
Now that we've killed the Neanderthals and have no enemies left, we have no choice but to kill our own kind.
Oxytocin, the hormone of love
It comes out when you hug, but it also comes out when you're hitting the enemy.
People who haven't found a huggable partner are starved for oxytocin and are satisfied by making enemies on social media and beating them up.
World peace if you bami meat and hug in VRChat
Escape off the Earth
reduce the population
They use their natural enemies to get eaten.
War.
Putting happy drugs in the tap water.
Those who want to run away should run away.
Contradiction in "LLM doesn't have free will, I do."
Internal state of ~.
LLMs have internal states, too.
The state of being an atheist and having free will is not a contradiction.
Is there any logic that can affirm free will when the logic of "God gave us free will so we have free will" is blocked?
When you cut a human being down a little bit from one end to the other, how much of the ego do you have? Reverse version of [Ship of Theseus
Let's cut the brain in half instead of talking about such mumbo-jumbo.
If one of you has an ego, then the other has an ego, and you have two egos.
If one doesn't have an ego, then neither does the other.
Continuing the story of [free will
There is an action potential 300 msec before the sense of free will.
No matter how complex the combination of components that behave deterministically, they do not behave non-deterministically.
Just as long as the parts work non-deterministically in the first place.
quantum brain hypothesis
Free will or not, it is beneficial to act as if you have free will, so act as if you do.
Whether it is free will or not does not affect life, so pragmatistically, "True or False, it's the same."
In a phenomenon that appears to be free will when an autonomous system refers to itself.
The time when the voice of the gods was heard.
People who have a hard time with free will.
Did the thought of "it's hard to have free will" exist back then?
A Spiritual History of Creation and Extinction
It's interesting and I recommend it.
Assume immediate death before failure is observed
The physical constants are convenient to humans because they are observed by humans.
The name "metacognition" came about because metacognition was recognized later, but more essential is that metacognition is
Cognition is superficial, with metacognition as its foundation.
https://gyazo.com/6d618a52e2b90c9f27f1a28a0059a184
Competition to create a social graph for Decentralized ID, the operator with the largest social graph wins. It was crazy good that only people with a high density of knowledge and experience were in the conversation.
Ken Suzuki's message of doing both implementation and thinking is still the best
ojoknek In the announcement, I personally @HiroTHamadaJP
I was glad to hear Mr. Ochiai's discussion on the organization of digital ideology and the genealogy of ideas was clearly organized. I had a feeling that the ideologies of Mr. Ochiai/Narita and Mr. Azuma/Suzuki were sharply divided.
Gyojin EmoryaI hadn't been exposed to this before, so I thought this would be a good opportunity to read up on his explorations.
ojoknek What the VC sees in the macro is broad, but not something I'm extremely familiar with. There is a discrepancy, for better or worse, between the on-the-spot feeling of those who are properly promoting the business and the investor's perspective.
I think it's better to listen to the real voice of those who can promote the narrative, not reduce it to a theory or something like that.
Entrepreneurs are promotable and respectable, and I wanted to implement it myself.
mdmdtogo2018 After situating symbolic emergent systems theory in the context of Named Enemies and Plurality, the plurality of interpretive systems (holographic paradigm) The symbolic generative ecosystem that contributes to the "smart news" ecosystem is either multimodal and collaborative creativity-based or smart news-like media when it comes to software. mdmdtogo2018 This is the difference between metacontent or generators, but Apple's creation of the concept of spatial computing is contemporary I feel that the Innovations in the interface between computers and people, or in media, change people's cognitive paradigms. mdmdtogo2018 "Computation" in the context of social computing is done primarily through symbolic communication. My motivation is to take that approach to the ecosystem of symbolic emergence and knowledge generation as the design of a communication field. It is also, paradoxically, to consider symbolic computation in governance. mdmdtogo2018 #NameraConference Fragments of a smooth future envisioned by people sharing the same context are collaged together in heated discussion. Let's think about ideas, let's make things, let's do both at the same time." Thanks to Ken Suzuki and everyone else for your passionate words.
yuki__jp The first LT is Mr. Ryo Arai of Intellectual Property Illustrated @ryo77331
There are many patents, but most of them are not commercialized. What kind of society will be created by these businesses, and the media that depicts this is the intellectual property illustrated book.
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1717105786277732352/18IXBy1Y?format=jpg&name=medium#.png
yuki__jp Explains difficult patents in an easy-to-understand way. Finding a strong context by layering social issues with ideas in a big picture way. Visualize a scene from the future where your fantasy idea is implemented. 0xikkun Money is just a tool to move people, so if you can move people, you don't need money, and it's all about human connection in the end. >BoufrawFrodo2: Money is a tool to move people, so if people move without money, they don't need money and it's the strongest..,
0xikkun Wait, wow, I've RT'd this in the past, so I was deep down cracking up. Toori_mo At the #NameraConference gathered based on "Smooth Society and Its Enemies", Ken Suzuki, the founder of Smart News himself, Ken Suzuki Fake We showed AI images and presented "Evidence is an illusion"! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9sZzDcacAAI071?format=jpg&name=medium#.png
yuki__jp It was very interesting and at the same time somewhat chilling in the reality of a world where it is becoming harder and harder to know what is true. HiroTHamadaJP Yesterday, the logic was to introduce "Fungi Enemy" from the viewpoint of Plurality. The following is a proposal to think about it in terms of symbiosis with AI. HiroTHamadaJP Nishiyama's story is very good. It is also related to plurality. _tea_two "In 100-year increments, this is the first century of programming." mdmdtogo2018 "Computation" in the context of social computing is done primarily through symbolic communication. My motivation is to take that approach to the ecosystem of symbolic emergence and knowledge generation as the design of a communication field. It is also, paradoxically, to consider symbolic computation in governance. I am grateful to be able to attend this meeting at this time when "The Smooth Society and Its Enemies" is being re-read!
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